The Impossible Obama

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I think it'd be a huge mistake to elect a President who has a cool attitude about America. I can't get a good idea of Obama's feelings - whether he's flippant about the country or whether he's just afraid to counter his decidedly unpatriotic wife. She'd be almost as scary a First Lady as Hillary was.

Great post, and congratulations on the new job.

I thought I might get into this with Snowy on my blog, but as usual, liberals hit and run, so I'll say it here if you don't mind.

Any one of Obama's flaws, missteps, and failure's in judgment is more than enough to disqualify him, but the unspoken concern is that America has become a "different" country and so its citizens might just find this despicable entity... well.... not just attractive, but just the right man for the times.

Still, there is humor to be found: on our great local talk show today, Michelle Larson labeled Obama "effeminate." When host , Barry Young, protested, she called him a girly-boy... "he bowled a THIRTY-SEVEN!" And then she followed with, "Is there ANY doubt his wife can take him?"

On another occasion, someone mentioned that there would be riots if Obama didn't get the nominations, and Young asked his producer to Google to see if there's ever been a white riot?

And please let us not forget Obama's bigoted attempt to McCain as debilitated by age.

Obama - as bad a man who's ever ran.

Speaking of white riots, does the Democratic National Convention in '68 count? The thing that worries me about Obama getting the nod is that he's being voted for in primaries by people who don't care about what he stands for, just what he IS, a black man running for president. There were a lot of kids in line at our primary polling who were there to watch history being made as votes for Obama were cast. Our time, our man, what issues? I'm sorry, I know that sounds incredibly racist, but that's what was happening/continues to happen, ranting anti-American pastors aside.

Our time, our man, what issues? I'm sorry, I know that sounds incredibly racist,

There's nothing racist about it! That's the whole problem. We can't criticize Obama because he's black, which is pure crap. Anything that goes to the heart of who this man is has been classified as off-limits, a boon that would never be given to a white candidate.
As usual, it is the liberals who are so concerned about race that they force it to become a factor. They won't let us ignore the man's race and judge him according to his character.
When this country refuses to believe that we can make objective judgments about a man's character then we will have opened the door to the most unqualified and potentially compromised men.
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These people are Democrats and they do support all kinds of nutty left-wing ideas. Obama may be the George McGovern of present time.
Yep, and Hillary's our Eagleton!?
I do believe that Geraldine Ferraro should be a role model to us all.
Women shouldn't even be in politics. Look at how well that's going for us.
Not blithely accepting this or that policy as sacred, no, but echoing Stephen Decatur's toast:
Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong.
A man who could share this sentiment looks clearly at things and sees the plain truth that America, for all her faults, is a force for good in the larger world.
I'll respond to your quote with Carl Schurz' rephrasing:
"Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right."
Schurz had many important things to say about patriotism and love of one's country; sadly, they are neglected today, especially by the members of his party.

America, with all her faults, is a force for good. However, the good that she does does not excuse her faults [1], any more than paying for a mass would give me license to seduce married women [2]. Thinking that one or one's nation is perfect is the first step of moral decline; admitting that it is imperfect (but may be perfectible) is the first step in creating a better country. By removing those faults [3], we can create a stabler country with more ability to do good. By denying our problems, we deny ourselves the opportunity to correct them. Worse, we give aid and comfort to those who would use our shortcomings to deny the good that we have done.

John

[1] "White shall not neutralize the black, nor good compensate bad in man, absolve him so: life's business being just the terrible choice." Robert Browning
[2] And yes, I am familiar with the old custom of selling indulgences.
[3] Though I suspect we disagree on the exact nature of many of them.

Women shouldn't even be in politics. Look at how well that's going for us.

Or perhaps men shouldn't be in politics [1]. Look how well that's been going...

John

[1] Cheerfully stolen from Heinlein.

I'm more worried about another republican being president than I am about which of the two democratic candidates gets through. The division and business of politics in America is significantly different to the way that we operate over here that I won't even bother to comment.

However, I would say that I've found Obama's speeches to be motivating and inspiring. I think it comes across that he wishes to play a part in molding the future of the nation. He does not strike me as someone desiring power. To me that seems patriotic enough.

As I said, I haven't really looked at their policies to determine what is best, which can only really be seen from a domestic POV that I don't have. From a UK point of view, I'd like someone whose foreign policy is a little more measured and fair, but hey, the UK isn't exactly a role model, and I won't be holding my breath.

I won't even comment on the racism aspect that you mention, because to be honest the american experience with race is very different to the UK's, and its not something I particularly desire to get into.

"When this country refuses to believe that we can make objective judgments about a man's character then we will have opened the door to the most unqualified and potentially compromised men."

If we're judging Obama's character based on his concern about the direction the country is headed, then I wonder what judgment you would make about McCain's character based on the fact he employs people he knows make millions working in cahoots with murderous dictators.

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To my thinking, a President should at the very least be altogether in love with America.
Amen! I can think of no other quality that must be BASIC to a presidential candidate.

Obama is not spared because he is black. But he is.
I've been wondering for a long time, why is he considered the first BLACK man to run for office? He has a black father who left when he was two, so he didn't have much foundation in "black heritage" from his father. He was raised by his white mother and his white grandmother in white neighborhoods surrounded by white people. If he is 50% black and 50% white, why is he considered black...(or to put it PC: "African-american"). Isn't he just as WHITE as he is black??


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